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Comment by Ahmed

October 19th 2007 07:47

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Poverty will end when people quit with the hypocricy. 'rich' nations meddle with poor nations all too often resulting in corrupt governments that exploit its people, big corporations often exploit poor nations too.

It is more complicated than that but to really end world poverty people have to stop wasting, be generous for the sake of being generous and definitely not turn the issue of charity into a concert.

Comment by Australian Fashionista

October 19th 2007 08:00

Thanks for your comments Ahmed.

I agree. Only people can help people however those with power can help a whole lot more. I also agree about the concert only awareness has to start somewhere...

Comment by AmyHuang

October 19th 2007 11:12

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Yes, awareness and action are the key - unfortunately for those who have the power and money to actually make a big difference refuse to join in the fight. To their minds, they money is theirs and they have no responsibility towards other people's hardship.

Thanks for bringing it up and creating more awareness in this world.

Comment by Howard

October 19th 2007 17:11

Real Crash

To stop poverty you need infrastructure. Medical infrastructure of course. Roads and bridges, and railroads, and other transportation. Food production, including irrigation. And of course lots of energy-- ie. nuclear power for energy and desalinating sea or brackish water.

The "movement against Global Warming" is the new slogan today to increase poverty and death.

Comment by Damo

October 21st 2007 01:29

Poverty starts when there is something more important that ensuring that every person has enough to to eat.
In the production of food there has always be enough to fill mankinds needs but never enough to fill their greed.

Comment by Australian Fashionista

October 21st 2007 23:49

The "movement against Global Warming" is the new slogan today to increase poverty and death.

Surely you'd agree Howard the people who care about sustaining our planet aren't planning for its occupants to starve?
How is it you can believe that exploiting our resources so that a few can live in luxury is a positive - and that supporting and protecting our environment is a 'conspiracy' to send people poor??
I think I am beginning to understand your paranoia.
I do appreciate your interest in my blog and enjoy your unpredictable views

Comment by Australian Fashionista

October 21st 2007 23:56

Hi Damo
Thanks for your comments. I am saddened also that it appears greed outweighs our human nature to nuture. Perhaps if there was greater awareness? If we were forced to watch our brothers and sisters starve it would be a lot more difficult for the exploitation to continue.
I look to our children (of which I have none yet) to whom friendship is more important than material wealth to continue and with education, even reverse the damage that has been caused.

Thanks again for your interest

Comment by Howard

October 22nd 2007 02:03

Real Crash

Fashionista,

Your nickname gives your game away. Being green, and equating human beings with "the earth" is just a very "in" and fashionable way to say the old Grace Slick (Jefferson Starship) line- "...the human name doesn't mean sh&t to a tree."

I really am not impressed if your opinions (brainwashing) are "sincere and deeply felt." For example, the use of millions of acres of corn as ethanol for gasohol will starve millions. If you say that has nothing to do with the global warming fraud, then you know nothing about the standard con man's "shell game." (also known as bait and switch).
I could compare it to Nazism, but in its effect, it is actually worse, and is part of a group of policies for the financial Anglo-Dutch oligarchy (Al Gore, poster boy) that, unchecked by traditional American legacy policies will eliminate most of the planet's population. If you think that is good, please have the decency to say so. It's OK, we're all grown-ups. Some people just are scared of a lot of people being able to exist.

Comment by Ahmed

October 22nd 2007 02:09

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Howard, you're a classic case of mixing science and politics up. You can't deny a scientific fact based on political reasoning. If people actually end up worse off because of environmental conservation you might have an argument, but so far the only suffering in the world has resulted from exhausing resources, not preserving them.

Surely you'd agree Howard the people who care about sustaining our planet aren't planning for its occupants to starve?

He actually does, and believes scientists are part of the conspiracy.

Comment by Howard

October 22nd 2007 02:20

Real Crash

Man is not a beast. He is a creative being, for real, not just "innovative" as the liberals say. He can discover new principles of social and scientific organization. Therefore, there IS NO FIXED SET OF RESOURCES. Otherwise, check out my post at realcrash.com

Comment by Ahmed

October 22nd 2007 02:59

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No kidding, but that doesn't mean we can suddenly make new things appear in place of old ones. If an animal goes extinct it isn't coming back, if a lake is polluted there goes the fish. We are not in a position to take things for granted as they are and reason 'we'll find another way when the time comes' because at the rate we are going we are in fact destroying the planets resources at such a rate there won't be much of a planet left when 'the time comes' to move on.

Get over yourself, there is no conspiracy, there is no disagreements in the scientific community except by a few with shady backgrounds. Arguing this is like trying to argue the earth is 6000 years old and claiming that there is disagreement in the scientific community on the age of the earth. It's 6000 years old and only a few with obviously bias backgrounds claim otherwise. Much like this whole issue.

Comment by Australian Fashionista

October 22nd 2007 04:20

Thanks Ahmed. Your valid points are welcomed.

Your nickname gives your game away. Being green, and equating human beings with "the earth" is just a very "in" and fashionable way to say the old Grace Slick (Jefferson Starship) line- "...the human name doesn't mean sh&t to a tree."

Howard - in one 'breath' you admonish my 'name' saying that my beliefs are 'fashionable' and without validity, but my arguments still stand up.
I disagree - we are "of the earth" and the person who tramps all over it thinking how clever and important they are will find out how clever and important they are the hard way.
If you don't even acknowledge the existence of global warming you are living in the dark ages, i.e. the 20th century.

It is fun to meet someone with such different opinions but will have to wait until next topic to joust with you further.

Fashionably minded - Friend of the Earth

Comment by Lilla

October 24th 2007 05:22

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Hi Fash,

I did a post on this subject post a while ago now and ending poverty and equalising the world affluence is sooo within our reach. But we must rely on gernments making sensible decisions in order for this to happen and THAT is unlikely to happen... well, until it is too late, who knows... I don't like to speculate. However, they say that if you want to predict the future, study the past. I think TIme picked up on Lester's ideas here.

That said, check out a passionate rant about governments not making sensible decisions because of greed.

It's enough to break anyone's heart when you consider that it is all possible... but who will give up there SUV's and affluent lifestyles for it to come about? Let us all hope it ibefore there is no alternative left, because the food has dried up with the water... amongst all our affluence.

Great Post!

Lilla ...

Comment by Australian Fashionista

October 25th 2007 02:25

Thanks Lilla

Stay postive and remember;

"Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have."

Just about every organisation supporting global sustainable development (i.e. World Vision, Oxfam to name a couple), have 'Action' sections on their websites where they have tailored letters you can send to your local government as well as volunteer opportunities for those inclined to do so etc.
Although neither of us (I assume) are politicians, we along with others can influence their priorities - especially in times leading up to an election!
What the people want - they will get, I just wish more people were aware as we are of what how our society needs to do to sustain life.
We need to open its eyes and that's what I consider our mission

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